and say, hey, everyone needs to pay more, we need to look at things we can do to flatten the code, to grow the economy, why would you tell people they have to pay more, small businesses, individuals, before -- >> make them pay more by getting hatch the deductions. >> it makes it flatter and fairer and supports economic growth and stops picking winners and losers in some cases. we've been here in the '80s and put the revenue first. said, hey, we'll agree to the spending cuts that come down the road and most never materialized. we had the deficit reduction in graham rudman. >> we know the rates we had under clinton we had the best economy of the past 50 years. we can go back to those rates. >> i want to talk about both of your parties. brad woodhouse, one thing we have learned is when barack obama is on the ballot, there is a coalition that helps democrats win a lot of elections. when he's not on the ballot, the one time that he was head of the party but not on the ballot, the party got shellacked.